Feast of the ancient Greeks

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Feast of the ancient Greeks

Symposium scene. From the diver's tomb at Paestum. Wall fresco. North wall. This is how they feasted. So! The only pity is that very few Greek wall paintings or paintings have come down to us. Archaeological Museum in Paestum

“First she covered a beautiful
and a well-made table with blue legs;
He wore a vessel of bronze and a bow,
to flavor the drink
with honey and barley flour cakes.

Homer "Iliad"

The kitchen and story. Today we will get acquainted with what and how the founders of ancient Greek culture, the ancient Greeks, ate. We have already talked about olives and oil from them. Today we will talk about everything else.

Let's start with the fact that the Greeks were mostly healthy people, and all because they ate a little, but often, that is, as recommended, at least three to four times a day.



Breakfast was early (before the heat of the day hit, there was a lot to do!) and usually consisted of barley bread dipped in wine or olive oil, along with figs and olives. In richer houses, pancakes were served, which were called tagenii or tagenity, mixed from wheat flour on yogurt with the addition of honey.

It was customary to have a snack around noon, but this "early lunch" was not considered lunch. Then around five (just like the British) you could have a light snack again. Such an “extra light lunch” was taken in the late afternoon.

But the most important thing was dinner. The men returned home “from work” (often just from chatting in the agora), and the women, who had been busy with the housework all day, fed them and only after that they ate themselves, and also separately from the men.

Ate sitting on chairs. The tables were high for ordinary dinners and low for feasts, since the Greeks did not sit on them, but reclined. By the XNUMXth century BC, round tables began to be made, often with legs shaped like animal paws. The dishes were earthenware, but always painted and very beautiful. Of the cutlery, only a knife and a spoon were known, and it was customary to eat with your hands.


For example, there were such original tables made entirely of terracotta. XNUMXnd–XNUMXst centuries n. e. Louvre

An important role in the lives of men was played by symposiums, which translates as a “banquet”, or, literally, “a gathering of drinkers”. It was divided into two parts: the first was devoted to food, the second - to the use of alcohol. Since the main goal was not food at all - snacks were light: roasted chestnuts, beans, salted olives, goat cheese and honey cakes.

A symposiarch (usually the head of the house) was preliminarily chosen, who indicated in what proportion wine and water would be mixed at this feast, since the Greeks did not drink undiluted wine! Serving slaves had to strictly comply with the specified, for which they had at their disposal a large number of appropriate measuring utensils. They mixed wine and water in proportions of 1 to 2, 2 to 3, 1 to 3, so it was not easy for the Greeks to get drunk “up to the position”


A psykter depicting a symposia. 510 BC e. State antique collection. Munich

For the second part, dancers, acrobats, musicians, for example, flutists, were invited to amuse the guests. Women at such a feast could only be present as hetaerae. The symposiums were also famous for their amusing games. One of them, and very popular, was “kottab”, the essence of which was that the participants splashed wine from their kiliks. To do this, it was necessary to unwind it by one of the handles on the finger so that the drops of wine hit the target!


A kottab player on a red-figure Attic kylix. 510 BC e. Louvre

In Sparta, there was a custom of joint dinners of male warriors - sissitia, but they didn’t get drunk there, but simply ate, since it was believed that a joint meal brings together. Each Spartan contributed his share of products for this. I could not do this - I did not participate in the dinners and lost the rights of the Spartiate.


Clay figurine. A woman kneads bread. 500–475 AD BC e. National Archaeological Museum of Athens

Today it is believed that the main source of energy for humans are cereals. Therefore, cereals from them must be eaten. And this was exactly the case with the Greeks: grains of wheat and barley were their main foodstuffs. But bread was always served with a side dish, whether it was fish, meat, fruits or vegetables.

Wheat grains were first softened by soaking them in water and then boiled to make porridge or ground into flour. Unlike the Egyptians, the Greeks already knew leaven and baked both unleavened cakes (to which cheese and honey were added) and yeast bread. Naturally, the rich Greeks ate wheat bread (for the sake of which the Greek colonies were brought to the Northern Black Sea coast), and the poor ate coarse barley bread.

Ever since the Paleolithic era, lentils have been growing in Greece, to which chickpeas were added in ancient times, most often mentioned in classical Greek literature. Lentil soup was a typical dish of a working Greek, such as an artisan potter. Peas, on the other hand, are rarely mentioned, but Hesiod and Theophrastus report that the Greeks also ate them. By the way, simple peas, boiled to a puree state, seasoned with real olive oil, are indeed quite a dietary and tasty dish (Author's note).

In ancient Greece, fruits and vegetables were consumed in large quantities, and the Greeks themselves ate much less meat at that time than they do today.

Vegetables were eaten boiled or mashed, seasoned with olive oil, vinegar, aromatic herbs or fish sauce. Aristophanes, for example, in his comedy portrayed Hercules as a glutton who loves mashed beans - apparently boiled beans or peas with olive oil. Well, the poor had to eat acorns. And of course, both poor and rich Greeks constantly ate canned (usually salted) olives.

The traditional foods of the warriors were foods such as cheese, onions and garlic. In one of Aristophanes' plays, the choir, celebrating the end of the war, sings: “Oh! joy, joy! No helmet, no cheese, no onions!”

In addition to fresh, dried fruits were also served as a dessert: figs, raisins and, of course, nuts.

As for meat, the main source of meat food for the townspeople was the meat of… sacrificial animals.


Kilik of the artist Epidrom with a scene of a boar sacrifice. 510–500 BC e. Louvre.

Fresh meat, therefore, was most often eaten after sacrifices, as if sharing a meal with the gods (“they have the smoke of burnt tripe, and the meat is for people”). But sausage was also widely used, which is not surprising, since dried and smoked sausages were more easily preserved in the hot climate of Greece.

But most of all I love food.
Belly and scar of castrated beasts,
And I love a fragrant pig,
baked in the oven.
Hipparchus (c. 190-120 BC)

By the way, in the time of Aristophanes, a piglet cost three drachmas, which was equal to three days' wages of an ordinary civil servant. The Spartans also cooked their famous "black soup" from pork legs, blood, and cuttlefish juice. Being engaged in hunting and setting snares, the Greeks got a lot of game, so that none of them really lived in poverty. It was enough to go outside the city to catch the same quails or blackbirds ... By the way, quails, mallards, pheasants, larks and pigeons were domesticated in the era of classical Greece and were sold in the markets. The Greeks also bred chickens and geese, as even Homer writes about.

Naturally, living by the sea, the Greeks also consumed a lot of seafood, from fresh fish to squid, octopus and shellfish. In classical Athens, for example, sea eels and sea bass were considered a delicacy, but the small fish that we use for sprats was a very cheap and easily accessible product.

The Greeks did not like cow's milk, and goat's milk was considered a barbaric drink. However, they liked such dairy products as yogurt, cottage cheese and, of course, various cheeses, both soft and hard. Moreover, they ate cheese separately, with bread and wine, and also with honey and vegetables.

Of the spices, the Greeks knew black peppercorns and bitter capsicum, in addition, dill, coriander, anise, cumin, fennel, rue, and also celery and its seeds were common and used in cooking.


Rhyton for wine. 460–450 AD BC e. National Archaeological Museum of Athens

The favorite drink of the Greeks was ... pure spring water.


Wine was drunk from kiliks - wide flat bowls on legs with two handles. There was usually a drawing on the bottom of the kylix. But sometimes the whole kilik outside was also signed. Here are the eyes and nose! Workshop of the artist Nikostenes. Walters Art Museum

As for wine, they made red, rosé and white grape wines. The best wines came from Thassos, Lesbos and Chios. Wine from Crete was also valued, but came later. Wine was considered medicine. In this case, honey, mint and thyme were added to it. Sweet wine was made in Thassos, and it was very similar, judging by the descriptions, to port wine. Amusing myths were associated with the use of wine: that, for example, wine from Arcadia and Gerai makes men stupid and women fertile, but wine from Achaia causes an abortion.


It happened after the feasts and such. The man vomits, and the boy supports his head. A very lifelike scene at the bottom of a kylix, ca. 500–450 AD BC e. National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen

By the way, women in Greece were forbidden to drink wine everywhere except ... Sparta. It was stored in leather furs, and transported in sealed amphorae with the indication of the place and time of manufacture. This is how, by the way, “vintage wines” appeared.


The feasting young man tries to replenish his kilik with wine, but, apparently, he does not stand firmly on his feet. 490–480 AD BC e. Louvre

Interestingly, until the Roman conquest, the Greeks valued food primarily for the benefit and simplicity. And that is precisely why the Persians were considered barbarians, because their cooking was very difficult, and they drank wine undiluted.


Fresh fish, one of the favorite dishes of the Greeks. Red-figure dish, ca. 350–325 BC e. Louvre

In Greek city-states, women traditionally prepared food. But male cooks existed at first only in the city of Sybaris, which was not approved by most of the Greeks. Gluttony was condemned. But vegetarianism was very popular. Thus, the philosopher and physician Empedocles (XNUMXth century BC) justified vegetarianism by belief in the transmigration of souls. After all, no one could guarantee that the animal that goes under the knife does not contain the soul of some person?

Some of the Pythagoreans also lived only on bread and water. In addition, it was forbidden to eat certain vegetables, such as beans, as well as sacred animals, such as white roosters.


Oinochoya-gnathia. 300–290 AD BC e. Louvre. Oinochoes were intended for pouring wine at the banquet table at symposiums

Olympic athletes also had their own diets. One was known to eat twenty pounds of meat and twenty pounds of bread every day while wrestling, and wash it down with eight quarts of wine.

In Roman times, the Greeks adopted a lot from their conquerors and gradually turned into the same gourmets, which, of course, did not benefit them, just like the Romans themselves!
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  1. +6
    23 July 2022 04: 58
    It remains to write about the sex of the ancient Greeks5
    1. +7
      23 July 2022 05: 58
      Quote: ee2100
      It remains to write about the sex of the ancient Greeks5

      Of course, the mysteries of ancient Hellas are an entertaining topic, but in the morning on a sunny summer day, with coffee with milk, I think it’s better to stop at the symposiums!
      1. +2
        23 July 2022 08: 12
        Jokes aside, this is a serious question...
        1. +7
          23 July 2022 11: 38
          Quote: Fedorovich
          Jokes aside, this is a serious question...

          History does not like "jokes on oneself", but there are facts that can make a modern representative of society smile!
          For example, how people of non-traditional sexual orientation bent over the entire ecumene until they were raked from other representatives of non-traditional sexual orientation. And there are many such examples.
    2. +5
      23 July 2022 11: 39
      I found something, but not much.




      Everything else is pure homosexuality. request
      1. Fat
        +4
        23 July 2022 11: 50
        hi And what I found - Solid "harassment" wassat
        The men are downhearted.
        Under the pressure of Western law
        1. +4
          23 July 2022 13: 30
          Yes, sheer promiscuity. wassat
      2. +3
        23 July 2022 11: 59
        something Zeus is very old relative to Hera
        1. +6
          23 July 2022 13: 33
          Each artist sees in his own way, and indeed - who saw them.

          1. +5
            23 July 2022 13: 35
            Well, little brother, anyway. not grandpa feel
            1. +7
              23 July 2022 13: 57
              There are also grandparents...

  2. +7
    23 July 2022 05: 04
    Inspired - “Masha do not interfere, we have a“ symposium ”!
    Good day to everyone, thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich for the article! I'm going to think about what to make for breakfast.
    1. +5
      23 July 2022 16: 39
      On the subject of "tables"
      1. +1
        4 September 2022 13: 36
        Overturn!!! laughing
        1. 0
          4 September 2022 23: 10
          Inside?! laughing drinks
          1. 0
            5 September 2022 19: 39
            In any case, the product is damaged!
  3. +10
    23 July 2022 06: 38
    One was known to eat twenty pounds of meat and twenty pounds of bread every day while wrestling, and wash it all down with eight quarts of wine.
    I am very annoyed by such phrases, the question always remains open: what do we measure in, "in elephants or in parrots"? For a quarter of a kotila (0,275 l) is one thing, and a quarter of an arbat (55,08 l) is quite another. And the ancient Greeks did not have a pound, there was a mine (436 g). However, I strongly doubt that a person is able to gobble up 17,5 kilograms of food per day.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +5
      23 July 2022 10: 40
      Most likely, they mean English measures of mass and volume. For a long time it began to seem to me that Russian translations of ancient authors were made not from the original language, but from English translations. I just can’t believe that, for example, Polybius could measure the length of the scutum in feet. smile
      1. +4
        23 July 2022 10: 54
        Hi Michael!
        With Shpakovsky, this is all the time. For which we constantly spread rot on me.
        1. +1
          23 July 2022 11: 47
          Hello Anton.
          But the standards are still too high. Twenty British pounds is nine kg (well, approximately), and a quart is almost a liter. The norm, rather, for a month. smile
          1. Fat
            +2
            23 July 2022 15: 05
            Square - I don't know. Only a pint, (if beer) Yes, by the way, Who thinks that half a liter is removed into a Soviet beer mug, its volume (mug) is mistaken - about 450 ml and this is at the very edge - (you won’t wait).
            But a pound - I remember it well - 453 grams with shares. Surprisingly, the English-speaking nations still estimate the thickness of the fishing line (monofilament) in pounds. In such conditions, it is very difficult to pick up a Japanese forest (the quality from "Kureha" is amazing) for winter sport fishing. sad
            1. +1
              23 July 2022 16: 39
              A quart is a quarter of a gallon, a pint is an eighth.
        2. +2
          23 July 2022 11: 56
          Anton, I greet "we spread rot by me", probably a little gnobish
          1. 0
            23 July 2022 12: 00
            Hello, Glory!
            When I see a frank jamb, then I spread rot.
            1. +2
              23 July 2022 12: 22
              And so be it.
              Too bad we don't have our Vic. Nick, he would immediately issue a certificate:
              Who? What? Where and when? And so it remains to be guessed: did the Greeks know capsicum, how much and what did the athlete eat?
        3. +5
          23 July 2022 12: 37
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, mainly works with English-language texts, hence the "parrots".
          By the way, with the Greek "elephants" is also not so simple.
          For example, a stage is 600 feet of "Hercules". To be more precise, the distance that the hero of Hellas traveled during the time during which the sun rose from the horizon. Has it become easier? I am afraid no. As a standard, Hercules didn’t leave his “shoe”, more precisely, sandals. Therefore, only Wikipedia gives three lengths of the stage of the ancient Greeks: 178 m, Attic - 177,6 m, Olympic - 192,8 m.
          Not surprisingly, the calculations of historians also differ.
          For example, the
          . On the pedestal of a statue in Delphi, it says: "Fiyll jumped fifty-five feet in length, and in the disk he was only five short of a hundred."

          We get from 16,3 m to 17,7 m. The same with the disk: from 28,2 m to 30,5 m.
          "Hang in grams", Uh-huh twice. Even if there are real artifacts. For example, the kettlebell (dumbbell) of the athlete Vyvon. With the inscription that he raised it above his head with one hand !!!

          So, despite the fact that the object is in the Olympia Museum, various information about its (kettlebell) weight walks through the sources: from 143 to 150 kg.
          I will not say anything about the tradition of carrying bulls on the shoulders. Having read Plausinius, I lifted Borka, a half-year-old bullock, on my shoulders. The horned one did not appreciate it, he slapped me with a hoof, where I will not tell, but I stopped pumping my standing strength on the bulls.
          There are some other interesting findings as well. For example, Milo of Croton, who won a thousand victories (our Karelin - 800), “rammed” a bronze statue of himself into his native policy. Even at a minimum, this is three centners of weight.
          Nor the last tug of length determination.
          Athlete Phlegius during training threw the disc across the river Alpheus

          Today, the width of the river is 50 meters. And what was its width in the "parrot-elephants" two millennia ago?
          Well, somewhere like that !!!
          1. +5
            23 July 2022 13: 31
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, mainly works with English texts,
            The problem is not that he works with them, but that he does not double-check. The main excuse: and so it is written! The question arises: what about Nicole or Funkens - the ultimate truth? They are human too and can make mistakes.
      2. +3
        23 July 2022 11: 54
        "from English translations" the English immediately translated into measures that they understood, and weakly Russian translators should use the metric system?
        Mish, hello
        1. +5
          23 July 2022 13: 17
          Hello, Glory.
          As for translations, I do not know who, what and how translates. I understand intellectually that it is easier to translate from English than from Ancient Greek, Ancient Aramaic, etc., therefore, I think publishers follow the path of least resistance, especially since in our capitalist world they count all the money, and translation from Ancient Greek will cost significantly more expensive than from English.
          Are you suggesting that the translator use the calculator to convert pounds to kilograms and feet to centimeters? There is one problem here. This I can write "approximately 9 kg", the translator cannot do this, and if he says "10 pounds", then he must translate this as 20x0,45359237 kg, that is, 9,071 kg ... Well, according to the mind, then ...
          It seems to me that it is best to use the original names of measures of lengths, weights, volumes when translating and indicate their values ​​in footnotes - let the reader translate himself if he is interested. But here is another question - how should a translator or editor know the true meanings of certain measures, if professional historians often hold different opinions on this matter. In addition, it costs money to invite such a historian for consultations.
          That's why everything happens.
          And Vyacheslav Olegovich can only say "thank you" for his work, despite the mistakes that are inevitable with such an algorithm of work.
          1. +2
            23 July 2022 16: 25
            Hi guys! I wrote about it above. Conditionally - floor, finger, ceiling !!! Back in the century before last, with probably one of the exact applied sciences "ballistics", there was such a mess with only one "pound of artillery" !!! However, navigation still sins with “such archaisms” that Mama don’t cry. For example, the Mercator projection.
      3. 0
        23 July 2022 21: 01
        At least the Iliad, exactly from ancient Greek.
  4. +4
    23 July 2022 06: 42
    Interesting, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    Where did the Greeks get black pepper and capsicum from?
    1. Fat
      +3
      23 July 2022 12: 38
      hi Sergey. From a retailer...
      Pod - it grows great even on my windowsill request
      1. +3
        23 July 2022 14: 04
        Pod - it grows great even on my windowsill

        In my opinion, capsicum appeared in Europe only after the great geographical discoveries
        1. Fat
          +2
          23 July 2022 14: 31
          Yes you are right. But capsicum pepper is quite homemade. And for the black ... as I went to the market, I go request
      2. +2
        23 July 2022 17: 43
        Only it was originally brought from America.
        Hercules, of course, went after the Apples of the Hesperides. But they argue - to Spain, or immediately to China.

        But I didn’t hear that the ancient Greeks got to America.
    2. +2
      23 July 2022 19: 33
      Where did the Greeks get black pepper and capsicum from?
      They didn't have either. Black from India, pod from Central America.
      1. +2
        23 July 2022 20: 17
        Totally agree with you.
      2. 0
        23 July 2022 21: 24
        This I can write "approximately 9 kg", the translator cannot do this, and if he says "10 pounds", then he must translate this as 20x0,45359237 kg, that is, 9,071 kg ... Well, according to the mind, then ...
        Hello Sergey!
        It became interesting to what extent you, as a techie, agree with Mikhail's opinion?
        1. +1
          23 July 2022 21: 48
          Hello Anton. I believe that Svyatoslav is right, and Mikhail is wrong. The translation is done for our reader, so from the very beginning we must inform that all quantities will be given in the metric system. Sometimes the very meaning of the message is quite difficult to understand, it is not necessary to complicate it with unusual units of measurement. The example with numerous significant digits that occur when translating values ​​is unfortunate. It is better to report right away - rounding to integers (tenths, hundredths ...), well, so that the meaning of the article remains and the numerical data is perceived.
          1. +1
            23 July 2022 22: 21
            It is better to report right away - rounding to integers (tenths, hundredths ...),
            The answer of a good techie! Physicists differ from lyricists, that is, mathematicians, in that they are primarily interested in "tolerances after the decimal point."
  5. +5
    23 July 2022 07: 05
    Homer has geese, but no chickens. The Persian bird was later bred. Although, there were probably wild chickens before.
    He also never mentioned fish. request
    1. +5
      23 July 2022 07: 16
      Homer mentions that they caught fish when they were very hungry:

      They wandered wildly along the quicksand of the seaside and fish
      Sharp-bent hooks bit - hunger tormented them
      1. +4
        23 July 2022 09: 59
        does not mention in the Iliad. In the Odyssey they ate all sorts of rubbish stop
        1. +5
          23 July 2022 10: 11
          In the Iliad, Homer has an analogy:

          He plunged into the right jaw and pierced Oenopida through his teeth;
          With his pike over the edge of the chariot he dragged like a fisherman,
          Sitting on a stone hanging in the sea, a great fish
          Quickly extracts from the waves and thread and shiny copper, -
          So he drew the gaping Oenopid with a sparkling lance
          1. +5
            23 July 2022 11: 12
            Exactly, I already forgot drinks
            Then I was more interested in the description of chopping blows with a sword.
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    3. +2
      23 July 2022 07: 47
      Quote: Tlauicol
      He also never mentioned fish. request

      Well, why didn't you mention it?

      living by the sea, the Greeks also consumed a variety of seafood, from fresh fish to squid, octopus and shellfish. In classical Athens, for example, sea eels and sea bass were considered a delicacy, but the small fish that we eat for sprats was a very cheap and easily accessible product.
      1. +3
        23 July 2022 07: 50
        Colleagues discussed Homer, not Shpakovsky.
        1. +1
          23 July 2022 16: 28
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Colleagues discussed Homer, not Shpakovsky.

          Homer in his works did not sing glory to any Cat, unlike Shpakovsky!
          1. +3
            23 July 2022 19: 30
            Homer in his works did not sing the glory of any Cat
            So the blind man was, probably, crushed the tail of more than one cat. And the Romans respected cats, on the frescoes of Pompeii they depicted a cat's triumph. The cat is clearly elated.
            1. +2
              23 July 2022 19: 46
              Sincere thanks for the fresco!!! Honestly didn't know it existed. hi
              1. +1
                23 July 2022 19: 52
                At first I saw it with delight there, in the original, and then I bought this magnet. Photo taken from my refrigerator.
    4. +2
      23 July 2022 19: 40
      Although, there were probably wild chickens before.
      Of course they were. In the Pamirs and in the foothills of the Hindu Kush. The British wrote about the Hindu Kush in the 30th century, and in the foothills of the Pamirs, my grandfather collected chicken eggs in the XNUMXs of the last century, where they traveled from the Ferghana Valley up the Kasansay on several carts. They brought a lot.
  6. +2
    23 July 2022 07: 42
    It was enough to go outside the city to catch the same quails or thrushes ...

    From the memories of Moscow during the time of Ivan III, you could lean out of the window of your house and shoot yourself a swan for lunch or dinner. Now there are probably only sparrows flying there ... wink
    1. +2
      23 July 2022 12: 44
      Today I took off a magpie from the window sill, I can use a neighbor's rooster. True, the first is unsuitable for food, and the neighbor will not appreciate the second. Although a dead magpie, I replaced it with a dozen chicken eggs. A neighbor brought thanks.
      1. +2
        23 July 2022 16: 11
        Good exchange.
        But about the unsuitability for food forty - now no one will consider a dead horse as a source of food. And during various long wars and disasters, horse meat was used. Not even fresh...
        Perhaps forty were allowed to eat ...
        1. +2
          23 July 2022 16: 30
          He is now fastening her at the scarecrow !!! Although I think stray cats will devour it earlier, these will not disdain.
      2. +2
        23 July 2022 16: 21
        Tulip bulbs are also classified as non-edible. But in the winter of 1944-1945, many residents of the Netherlands had to switch to eating these bulbs. The Germans stopped supplying them with food and famine broke out. People were poisoned, but "hunger is not an aunt ..." and ate everything a little more or less suitable for food.
  7. +2
    23 July 2022 07: 50
    Quote: ee2100
    It remains to write about the sex of the ancient Greeks5

    Who is talking about what, but the "hungry godfather has fat on her mind"
  8. +1
    23 July 2022 08: 13
    The man vomits, and the boy supports his head. A very lifelike scene at the bottom of the kylix

    A reminder that excesses do not lead to good?
  9. +4
    23 July 2022 09: 05
    Good morning .
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich, I already had breakfast :-))).
    But you also need to have lunch. Today is my day to spend in the kitchen, so it happened in our family.
    And we'll have Beth Stroganov for dinner. True, not from veal tenderloin, but only from pork neck, toothy veal, an infection. The Greeks lost a lot without inventing this dish. Mmmmm, union.
    The only question is, was peppercorns really known in Europe in those days? Something doubts.
    Good day and good appetite to all.
  10. +3
    23 July 2022 09: 20
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues, good morning. Finally I can communicate with you.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues, tried to imagine how the game of kottab appeared.
    Probably, after the "symposium" someone got a drop of wine, let's say, into a crack on the wall, while others liked the fun.
    Approximately, this is how the competition for throwing a Nokia phone appeared. In 1989, some Finn, they are not averse to "sip", during a drinking bout, threw his phone through an open window. The phone flew 5 m and hit the magazine. There were also those who wanted to repeat.
    When the corporation found out about this, they realized: - good advertising. They began to organize annual competitions.
  11. +7
    23 July 2022 10: 03

    later kottab became the national pastime of the Romans))
  12. +2
    23 July 2022 12: 12
    "mixed wine and water in proportions" comrades, I now tried to figure out what was the result? Probably no more than 2,5 degrees. It is unlikely that their wine was stronger than 9 degrees.
    , Comrades who have been to Greece, and how many degree wines are now in Greece?
    1. Fat
      +2
      23 July 2022 12: 35
      hi Greetings Slav. At 2.5 it is better to drink kefir ... And yes, Dry does not happen more than 13 degrees. Fortified with sugar...
      What am I telling you, you yourself know more importantly Yes
    2. Fat
      +1
      23 July 2022 14: 52
      Metaxa - 38. Obtained by mixing aged grape brandy with sweet muscat wine and herbal infusion ... Have not tried others smile
  13. -1
    23 July 2022 17: 33
    Today's gay Europeans would be put on such a diet, they would howl not like a child, and we, perhaps, too. wassat
  14. +3
    23 July 2022 19: 17
    Of the spices, the Greeks knew black peppercorns and bitter capsicum.
    Black pepper comes from the eastern shores of India, where it still grows as a wild jungle plant. Capsicum comes from Peru. Both that and another outside the ancient Greek Oikoumene.
    1. +2
      23 July 2022 20: 20
      Black pepper - liana, up to 12 m long. On plantations - up to 5 m. It is more convenient to collect.
    2. 0
      28 July 2022 12: 53
      Both are outside the ancient Greek Oikoumene.
      Well, they were very familiar with the Persians. And the Persians are very familiar with India - not far away. So the trade hasn't been canceled yet.
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    27 July 2022 12: 25
    a lot of interesting. in the study of history often involves war, heroes, conquest and defeat. Such a story as from the author was always lacking for the layman
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    4 September 2022 13: 38
    How they ate reclining - I don’t understand! Uncomfortable!